This week, Eric C. Toolson, UNM Biology Professor, wrote about the
Dover, Pennsylvania, legal decision against teaching ID in public schools. His column spawned a counter-attack printed in today’s
Albquerque Journal. mjh
ABQjournal: ID UNMasked for What It Is� Religion
By Eric C. Toolson, UNM Biology Professor
Judge Jones may have been taken aback by what he heard in his court, but none of this
comes as any surprise to scientists who have attempted to counter scientifically absurd claims and the continual efforts to force schools
to teach fundamentalist Christianity as science. Deliberate misrepresentation of scientific concepts and distortion of scientific
evidence are the stock in trade of ID promoters. Jones’ opinion merely exposes their tactics to public view.
ABQjournal: Letters to the Editor
No Hard Evidence
Supports Darwin
As a grad student 35 years ago, I was astounded to find out that there is no real evidence for Darwinism at all�
not in the fossils, not in the wild and not in the lab. All my teachers had told me that evolution had occurred, but I suddenly realized
that none of them had given me a shred of real evidence.
Afterward, I found that most people, including most scientists, think
evolution occurred not because of evidence, but simply because someone else told them it had occurred. …
D. RUSSELL HUMPHREYS,
PH.D.
Albuquerque
Nobody appreciates hyperbole more than I do (a self-proving statement), but “NO
real evidence … AT ALL,” not a “SHRED of REAL evidence.” Puh-lease! Skillful exaggeration is part of debate, but don’t lie to win.
One can only imagine what a disappointment Humphreys was to his teachers. However, Humphreys’ conclusion is important. As
students, we have all accepted many things from our teachers as a given. But good students ask questions without assuming they already
know more than the teacher. It’s a delicate dance.
Perhaps we should move this debate over to cold mathematics. What is the PROOF
that 2 + 2 = 4? Isn’t geometry full of so-called “theorems” and “proofs” — can we really trust any of them? How do you know what pi is
and how would you prove it? Trusting your teacher doesn’t count! If you can’t prove it, does it not exist? Is pi a lie?
It
wasn’t until I studied Calculus that so much that had to be accepted ‘on faith’ was finally proven. But Calculus wasn’t
discovered/invented until a few hundred years ago — was all of math before that just “faith” and no more valid than the Gospels?
Perhaps we haven’t discovered the evolutionary equivalent of Calculus yet (though I think Watson & Crick probably did).
[11/28/08: letter deleted at writer’s request]
Religious zealots see the world
through religious eyes: everything is their religion or someone else’s (false) religion. You project what you already know. Insert the
“hammer and nail” aphorism here.
Why is life without a designer so intimidating to [so many]? Don’t be afraid — it’s the same
world without a god. You are still accountable to yourself, your family, your friends, your teachers, and your society. Are you really
only good out of fear of punishment or promise of reward?
Open Eyes, Check Out All Theories
As a Christian, I
find it hard to believe there are people who really recoil at the possibility that there might be a being so indescribable and powerful,
who could have created all that the eye can see and then some. …
Let us not be so dogmatic. We should encourage exploration and
study of all scientific theory, whether you agree with the outcome or not.
HOWARD DEWITT
Alamogordo
class="mine">I don’t recoil at the possibility that there might be a being so indescribable and powerful. I’m a big fan of
possibilities and certain we fail to perceive more than we do perceive. But not every possibility is a probability and even fewer are
realities. There is no god. As an atheist, I find it hard to believe people recoil at that fact.
Evolution Lacks
Photo, Fossil Proof
We are told there is no evidence for design. Test it yourself. Write down every speck of evidence that you
find for a wristwatch being designed or that the book you are reading did not randomly come together. When you have done this, compare
your data to the incredible workings of the human body with its coded DNA, you will see vast evidence for design emerge. …
PHILIP ROBINSON
Albuquerque
Now, this one is really interesting. Does it matter that I don’t own
a watch?
The watch is a product of human intelligence and culture. Human intelligence might be argued to be millions of years old;
certainly hundreds of thousands of years. Culture has existed at least 50,000 years. How long have there been watches? Non-astronomical,
mechanical time pieces may be thousands of years old, but I’m betting wrist watches aren’t 200 years old (too lazy to google it).
Who designed the watch? A human being. IF you allow that human beings are a product of evolution, then evolution had a hand in the
designing of the watch, as well as Philip the Doubter and Mark the Believer. We are inside the black box we seek to describe. Our very
intelligence is either the product of evolution or fiat — it constrains what we are capable of conceiving and discussing (language is
also a product of this process). But, we’ve had this argument before (mjh�s blog — Wherein Mark disproves the existence of god).
Now the earth is at least 4
billion years old — if IDers don’t believe that, what time frame would they allow us to use? If they happen to say whatever number of
years Evangelical Christians believe, then that whole claim that the “designer” isn’t just the narrowly-defined Christian god really is
a smokescreen.
But let’s say that Adam and Eve sprang from Zeus’ forehead 10,000 years ago. It took 9,800 years to design a
watch. Why weren’t Adam and Eve created wearing watches? Or given gold watches on expulsion? Yours really is a vengeful god.
Anyhow, let’s say that self-replicating organisms didn’t come from afar via a comet or god’s fallen eyelash; let’s say it all
starts right here. Now, I do NOT believe that after 4 billion years, a watch would appear directly out of natural selection (indirectly,
it did), anymore than I believe an infinite number of monkeys will produce a duplicate of an entire play. Why not? Because Life doesn’t
need a watch anymore than monkeys need literature. Life produces what life needs. Billions of years allows for a lot of very subtle or
abrupt changes, most of which won’t leave a trace (unless it’s in the DNA).
Once we have what we need, humans produce what we
want, including pornography and religion, with many noxious bi-products like pollution and zealots. Oh — and watches. mjh
PS: See www.edgewiseblog.com/mjh/category/nada/id/ for all my coverage of this
topic, a sub-topic of www.edgewiseblog.com/mjh/category/nada/ (NADA = New
American Dark Ages).