{"id":3405,"date":"2010-09-25T11:48:37","date_gmt":"2010-09-25T17:48:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/the-atheists-pulpit\/do-children-understand-irony-does-science-daily\/"},"modified":"2010-09-25T11:48:37","modified_gmt":"2010-09-25T17:48:37","slug":"do-children-understand-irony-does-science-daily","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/the-atheists-pulpit\/do-children-understand-irony-does-science-daily\/","title":{"rendered":"Do children understand irony? Does Science Daily?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It took me a long time to realize that I use the word irony differently from anyone I\u2019ve ever discussed the term with. Most people speak of irony as intentional \u2013 \u201cI was being ironic\u201d &#8211; which is impossible for me. I prefer to call \u201cintentional irony\u201d sarcasm, as in \u201cI\u2019m sure you agree this is interesting \u2026\u201d Then there is real irony, which cannot ever be intentional, as I use irony. You worry about the safety of your car, so you trade it in for a new one. Driving out of the lot, you are hit and killed. That\u2019s ironic. (As it would be, if I were hit by a car soon after writing this. I rarely challenge irony so publicly.) <\/p>\n<p>To me, irony is beyond our control, which makes everyone else\u2019s use of the word ironic. We recognize irony \u2013 we don\u2019t plan and execute it. In fact, we appreciate irony. I think that may be the one thing that separates humans from all other creatures.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/09\/100914143430.htm?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29\">Do children understand irony? New study reveals they do<\/a> <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>New research findings from the Universit\u00e9 de Montr\u00e9al reveals that children as young as four are able to understand and use irony.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/09\/100914143430.htm?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29\">Do children understand irony? New study reveals they do<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The study does not determine whether children comprehend irony, as I use the word. In my idiolect, children understand sarcasm. Note, in fact, the irony that the title uses the wrong (IMO) term while the researchers do not.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&quot;We examined children at home and took into consideration four types of non-literal language: hyperbole, euphemism, <em>sarcasm<\/em>[,] and rhetorical questions.&quot; \u2026 The study, which was done in collaboration with Holly Recchia from Concordia University, revealed that the children understood at least one <em>ironic remark<\/em> made by one of the parents. Although children can fully comprehend this language by age six, certain <em>forms of irony<\/em> such as hyperbole were understood at age four. In 22 of the 39 families studied, it was <em>sarcasm<\/em> that was best understood overall by the children.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cIronic remark\u201d is an oxymoron (for me), not real irony, but sarcasm. I wonder if the reporter made the leap that the \u201cfour types of non-literal language\u201d are collectively irony. (Surely, euphemism isn\u2019t irony.)<\/p>\n<p>We think language can be so precise, yet it is all subject to interpretation. Ironic, isn\u2019t it.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Overall, hyperbole and sarcasm were most often used during positive interactions with children, while euphemisms and rhetorical questions were mostly used in situations of conflict. Also, <em>mothers and fathers did not use irony in the same way<\/em>. Mothers were more inclined to use rhetorical questions and fathers preferred sarcasm.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Again, is the subsuming of the four types of non-literal communication under the irony umbrella something the reporter is choosing? Does the last sentence imply mothers were in conflict and fathers more positive? Or is there a gender basis for which of the four non-literal forms are used in a situation (taking both the parent and child\u2019s gender into consideration). I think we need more grant money. (Sarcasm.)<\/p>\n<p>I used to say sarcasm was my first language. I\u2019ve always assumed I learned sarcasm from my mother. It would be ironic if that weren\u2019t the case. Interesting that sarcasm is used in \u201cpositive interactions.\u201d Another reason to associate sarcasm with my mother. It may also offer a hint at why some people have trouble grokking sarcasm.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&quot;Children&#8217;s understanding of complex communication is more sophisticated than we believed in the past,&quot; says Alexander. &quot;If parents are conscious that by age four a child can take a remark literally, especially in situations of conflict, using appropriate language can help defuse a potentially explosive situation.&quot;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Sigh. We spent the whole article learning that children comprehend non-literal communication at an early age and from that Alexander draws the conclusion that parents should be conscious that their kids \u201ccan take a remark literally.\u201d WTF?! Isn\u2019t the point that parents should learn that children can take a remark <em>non-literally<\/em> \u2013 that they (we, once) might understand more than the obvious or intended? Pffft.<\/p>\n<p>PS: I suddenly realize the original study may have been done in French. Gawd knows what happened in translation. If I had been born a native French speaker, would I have the same view of a word everyone else uses differently from me? Language shapes mind. You are what you speak.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Synchronicity brings two other stories to my attention at the same time. It\u2019s all related, if only here.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/09\/100913153630.htm?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29\">Children and adults see the world differently, research finds<\/a> <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Unlike adults, children are able to keep information from their senses separate and may therefore perceive the visual world differently, according to new research. \u2026 The results, published in the <em>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences<\/em>, imply that children&#8217;s experience of the visual world is very different to that of adults.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/09\/100913153630.htm?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29\">Children and adults see the world differently, research finds<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/09\/100915080427.htm?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29\">Children under four and children with autism don&#8217;t yawn contagiously<\/a> <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If someone near you yawns, do you yawn, too? About half of adults yawn after someone else does in a phenomenon called contagious yawning. Now a new study has found that most children aren&#8217;t susceptible to contagious yawning until they&#8217;re about 4 years old &#8212; and that children with autism are less likely to yawn contagiously than others.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/09\/100915080427.htm?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29\">Children under four and children with autism don&#8217;t yawn contagiously<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m tickled that contagious yawning and appreciation of the four types of non-literal communication both click by the same age (four). Have you hugged your brain today?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It took me a long time to realize that I use the word irony differently from anyone I\u2019ve ever discussed the term with. Most people speak of irony as intentional \u2013 \u201cI was being ironic\u201d &#8211; which is impossible for me. I prefer to call \u201cintentional irony\u201d sarcasm, as in \u201cI\u2019m sure you agree this &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/the-atheists-pulpit\/do-children-understand-irony-does-science-daily\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Do children understand irony? Does Science Daily?<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3405","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-the-atheists-pulpit"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3405","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3405"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3405\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3405"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3405"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3405"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}