{"id":141,"date":"2005-11-22T12:46:02","date_gmt":"2005-11-22T18:46:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/?p=141"},"modified":"2005-11-22T22:18:05","modified_gmt":"2005-11-23T04:18:05","slug":"the-ouch-in-vouchers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/nada\/the-ouch-in-vouchers\/","title":{"rendered":"The Ouch in Vouchers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[updated 11\/22\/05]<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"mine\"><p>Dane Roberts, of UNM, speaks of &#8220;the impossibility of standardizing our <\/p>\n<p>public schools&#8221; and believes &#8220;the state shouldn&#8217;t assume the task of defining how or what each kid should learn.&#8221; Roberts imagines an <\/p>\n<p>ideal world in which &#8220;principals could choose teachers who match their educational beliefs. And teachers [could] focus on what is too <\/p>\n<p>often forgotten: teaching kids.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>How can anyone believe teachers have forgotten that it&#8217;s all about teaching kids? How is it good <\/p>\n<p>that principals could discriminate against teachers whose &#8220;educational beliefs&#8221; they disagree with?<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t want a teacher fired <\/p>\n<p>for believing the world is only 4,000 years old. Nor do I want a school packed with such believers.<\/p>\n<p>Throughout hundreds of years <\/p>\n<p>of public education, many countries have not had so much trouble standardizing public schools. The trouble has grown in the last 30 <\/p>\n<p>years, coincidental with rise of the Radical Right.<\/p>\n<p>If the state has no business at all in education (the ultimate extension of <\/p>\n<p>this line of reasoning), who does? The church? Or, the parents, most of whom hope their children will achieve more education than they <\/p>\n<p>could. Many caring parents participate in elections of local school boards; many know their kid&#8217;s teachers and principals. How are they <\/p>\n<p>not represented in this process?<\/p>\n<p>How does anyone reasonably conclude the Market can do no wrong? What have they been teaching <\/p>\n<p>you?<\/p>\n<p>One of the many things that has helped the United States to become a great nation is public education. That and a progressive <\/p>\n<p>tax system, especially estate taxes, have helped delay the growth of an American Aristocracy. In schools we meet people and ideas we will <\/p>\n<p>never meet at home or even in our own neighborhood or church. The melting pot of America is its public schools. Undermining that system <\/p>\n<p>undermines everything. Public education serves the public good. <span class=\"sig\">mjh<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[<a title=\"Letter: \n\nPublic education crucial to free circulation of ideas - Daily Lobo - Opinion\" \n\nhref=\"http:\/\/www.dailylobo.com\/media\/paper344\/news\/2005\/11\/17\/Opinion\/Letter.Public.Education.Crucial.To.Free.Circulation.Of.Ideas-\n\n1108530.shtml?mkey=1290977\">published in The Daily Lobo<\/a> (11\/17\/05)]<br \/>\n&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p><a \n\nhref=\"http:\/\/www.dailylobo.com\/media\/paper344\/news\/2005\/11\/16\/Opinion\/Column.Vouching.For.Vouchers-1059382.shtml?mkey=1290977\">Column: <\/p>\n<p>Vouching for vouchers<\/a> by Dane Roberts, Daily Lobo columnist<\/p>\n<p>The issue of evolution versus creationism in the science <\/p>\n<p>curriculum perfectly illustrates the impossibility of standardizing our public schools. Some people will never accept public schools that <\/p>\n<p>promote ideas that contradict their religious beliefs. Others will never allow religion to influence the curriculum.<br \/>\n&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>[11\/22\/05: response from James McClure &#8230;] <!--more--><\/p>\n<p><a \n\nhref=\"http:\/\/www.dailylobo.com\/media\/paper344\/news\/2005\/11\/22\/Opinion\/Letter.Education.System.Soured.After.Morality.Removed-\n\n1112767.shtml?mkey=1290977\">Letter: Education system soured after morality removed<\/a><br \/>\nEditor,<\/p>\n<p>This is in response to the <\/p>\n<p>letter in Thursday&#8217;s Daily Lobo written by Mark Justice Hinton, &#8220;Public education crucial to free circulation of ideas.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Would <\/p>\n<p>you rather go to Smith&#8217;s Food &#038; Drug, Whole Foods Market, Albertson&#8217;s, Raley&#8217;s, or to the Motor Vehicle Department, the Social <\/p>\n<p>Security office, or Medicaid office? That would be the difference between government schools &#8211; the disaster they are now &#8211; and voucher <\/p>\n<p>schools. In my many years on this planet, I have only seen one thing the government does well &#8211; and it&#8217;s not the American education <\/p>\n<p>system.<\/p>\n<p>Hinton asks, &#8220;If the state has no business at all in education, who does?&#8221; The answer is: people who would do it well. <\/p>\n<p>When people or businesses or schools have to compete, they produce a better product &#8211; every time.<\/p>\n<p>The trouble in schools coincides <\/p>\n<p>with the removal of morality in schools, which was fostered by the liberals, not the radical right. I&#8217;m not a fan of either, but <\/p>\n<p>Hinton&#8217;s statement is not accurate.<\/p>\n<p>And neither is his statement regarding estate taxes. The burden of taxes has never spurred <\/p>\n<p>growth in any country.<\/p>\n<p>Hinton&#8217;s misconceptions are frightening.<\/p>\n<p>James McClure<br \/>\nDaily Lobo reader<\/p>\n<blockquote  \n<p> \nclass=\"mine\">I&#8217;m intrigued by &#8220;In my many years on this planet, I have only seen one thing the government does well&#8221; &#8212; is it wage war?<\/p>\n<p>McClure&#8217;s comparison of a bunch of groceries to 3 huge, disparate bureaucracies really seems comparing apples to social <\/p>\n<p>services. Ask me whether I&#8217;d rather go to one of those private Motor Vehicle services joints or the real state-run deal &#8212; answer: the <\/p>\n<p>latter. Or let me ask McClure: does he dial 911 or his private security company? Does he drive on public streets or only take private <\/p>\n<p>toll roads everywhere? <\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s not do this. There are certain things government should do and can do well. There are things that <\/p>\n<p>private enterprise cannot or should not do (like aggregate huge amounts of personal data through corporate spying).<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s get <\/p>\n<p>back to vouchers. If vouchers were universal tomorrow, some public schools would fold immediately. Some private, especially religious, <\/p>\n<p>schools would appear. Is this the glorious wisdom of the market at work?<\/p>\n<p>Would those new schools be full of better teachers than <\/p>\n<p>found in public schools? How? Where would they come from? Do you really believe they&#8217;d be both better and better paid?<\/p>\n<p>Would <\/p>\n<p>every kid tossed on the street by the closing of his or her neighborhood school immediately be welcomed in a just-as-close and vastly <\/p>\n<p>superior private school &#8212; of course not. So, what happens to the kids who don&#8217;t take the money and run?<\/p>\n<p>Vouchers are a mechanism <\/p>\n<p>for siphoning off public money for private profit and, as such, fit perfectly with the Party of Corporate Interests. It&#8217;s like taking <\/p>\n<p>tax money to fund private roads.<\/p>\n<p>As for estate taxes, I don&#8217;t suggest that they have anything to do with growth. I said they have <\/p>\n<p>to do with preventing the cancerous growth of an upper class, a fat community that can buy anything they need to keep the rabble at bay <\/p>\n<p>and keep themselves surrounded by those just like themselves. <span class=\"sig\">mjh<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[updated 11\/22\/05] Dane Roberts, of UNM, speaks of &#8220;the impossibility of standardizing our public schools&#8221; and believes &#8220;the state shouldn&#8217;t assume the task of defining how or what each kid should learn.&#8221; Roberts imagines an ideal world in which &#8220;principals could choose teachers who match their educational beliefs. And teachers [could] focus on what is &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/nada\/the-ouch-in-vouchers\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">The Ouch in Vouchers<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-141","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-nada"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/141","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=141"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/141\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=141"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=141"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.edgewiseblog.com\/mjh\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=141"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}